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Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.25 03:53:00 - [1] Epic thread started by "Camaris" alt from Red Box that backfired into flameage... Insert "duh" here... Red Box has proven to be full of the most emo raging, drama filled knobheads I have come across in eve to date.. Truth about Huola episode last night Here It seems you dont need alot of ships or ECM to beat anyone in Red Box Alliance.. You just need a Vaga!
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.25 04:02:00 - [2] Edited by: Indignant Assault on 25/01/2009 04:04:27 Originally by: Troubadour I went into huola with my well known falcon alt (in SL corp thanks) and saw that Red Box had a mighty gang on the gate with several CBC, HIC, and BS. I noticed a falcon uncloaking in the same spot 160km off the gate... in the direction of the station Red Box live in. Could we be more lazy guys? Anyway, I setup the spot and had a single corpmate of my land right on the falcon as they all tried to gank a drake coming from otelen. If i had gotten a ranis like I asked for it would of been caught and lolganked right in front of his buddies, but alas, "I don't have a ranis i have a sabre". locktime too slow and falcon cloaked. To my surprise, instead of warping to the falcon 160km away and killing a sabre and falcon, the group of over 10 warped directly to the station. And there they stayed for the entire time all of two Slackers were in local. Quote: [ 2009.01.24 21:25:53 ] operated > o/ [ 2009.01.24 21:25:59 ] jujub33 > hay guise [ 2009.01.24 21:26:23 ] jujub33 > MORE THEN 1 SLACKER IN LOCAL DOCK IT'S A TARP [ 2009.01.24 21:26:35 ] Gibson Rothman > always is [ 2009.01.24 21:26:39 ] Kaiser128 > ^ [ 2009.01.24 21:26:59 ] Wolf 10 > how do you say your name? [ 2009.01.24 21:27:00 ] jujub33 > lucky falcon :( [ 2009.01.24 21:27:07 ] jujub33 > JU JU BEE [ 2009.01.24 21:27:18 ] Wolf 10 > i like it ! [ 2009.01.24 21:27:24 ] operated > lol [ 2009.01.24 21:27:27 ] Gibson Rothman > its a gummie treat [ 2009.01.24 21:28:21 ] wettestwillie > tastey! [ 2009.01.24 21:30:06 ] jujub33 > :) [ 2009.01.24 21:30:10 ] jujub33 > nom nom nom [ 2009.01.24 21:31:08 ] Wolf 10 > i knew you would say that :) [ 2009.01.24 21:31:35 ] jujub33 > so scurred :( [ 2009.01.24 21:31:37 ] jujub33 > we no hurt u [ 2009.01.24 21:32:15 ] Seth McKenzee > bring it we'll hurt you [ 2009.01.24 21:32:24 ] jujub33 > yes to the station! [ 2009.01.24 21:32:35 ] operated > no ty =-p [ 2009.01.24 21:32:44 ] jujub33 > why not on the gate where you were? [ 2009.01.24 21:33:02 ] jujub33 > that was fine for mr.drake [ 2009.01.24 21:33:06 ] wettestwillie > were outnumberd on falcon, the station will make up the difference [ 2009.01.24 21:33:06 ] Seth McKenzee > okay then please I say this with the utmost kindess from my heart, stfu [ 2009.01.24 21:33:20 ] jujub33 > you hurt my feelings The convo goes on from there, but that's the gist of it. They stayed docked the entire time. ^^^ They spent all their time hugging the station and sitting inside it while Ferocious Fear was there solo in a Vagabond also.... Finally one sniperpoc decides to set up shop off the gate without a decent celestial warp in.... /me grins..... Cov ops are your friends people....use them wisely and use them often.... Superfailsauce Red Box alliance....Without The Final Stand there to hold your hands anymore its back to rookie fits and sniper bs and whinning about ecm??? You lot should try keeping your mouthes shut and your drama to a minimum from now on..... You spend more time concerned about other peoples corps and personal lives than you do about the impending failure of your own alliance... The new recruits seem jolly mature..... Nice bunch of kindergarten graduates. Congrats on that Sethy! GNT 2 Red Box 0 ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:21:00 - [3] Originally by: Seth McKenzee Lets take a look at your KB? http://www.uat.thefinalstand.com/?a=kills" SuperFailSauceKB[/url] "telling everyone the story about how Fear killed a apoc on a gate with his vagabond b/c honestly noone cares". Thanks for the free advertising! Ofcourse you dont care, thats why you and red box spend so much time concerning yourselves with our business and our corp......BECAUSE YOU DONT CARE RIGHT!!!???!!! The problem with you Mr McKenzee is that you are more concerned with ganking and having a killboard efficiency over 80% than you are with having fun and getting a good fight. If we as a corp spent all our time worrying about having bad efficiency we wouldnt bother undocking at all. Or like you, we would spend all our time ganking on a gate waiting for poor unsuspecting morons to jump in and die miserably. Since when have any of you jumped into an eight or ten man gang solo and dominated? Absolutely never! This is why you are so butthurt about Uranus.... We have the balls to take risks and dont cry about losing ships when we are seriously outnumbered. Yourself and your pilots dont pvp....You opportunity gank like most of the pirates in low sec these days. Slackers atleast deserve respect. They are tactical in what they do. Their pilots fly as well solo as they do in a gang. They arent afraid of using what their pilots are trained for. It's a concept that eludes you and Red Box, so you continue to recruit new pilots and new corps into your failing alliance so that you have more numbers than anyone else. When you dont have the numbers you dont engage. You complain about falcons non stop, and yet I manage to kill falcons quite nicely with a raven that is set up for that job. Learn to adapt and diversify instead of whine about what you cant cope with. You can carry on using personal insults and private information that is none of your business to try and justify how much of a failure you are as a pvp'r and a leader. These sorts of things prove just how immature and completely useless you really are. The maturity level in Red Box is that of a bunch of junior high school girls attacking the A student. Dont expect me to lower myself to your level, I dont have the stomach for your pathetic drama. Concentrate on your own corp and your own e drama Seth. You are barely holding on to what you have as it is. You certainly dont have any integrity or dignity left to be proud of. Go with your KB statistics... I am sure one of your pilots will sit on a gate and shoot macro haulers for a few days to pump up the numbers..
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.25 22:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Indignant Assault You complain about falcons non stop, and yet I manage to kill falcons quite nicely with a raven that is set up for that job. Learn to adapt and diversify instead of whine about what you cant cope with. Have you even bothered to check that falcon fit on your killboard? So you managed to kill an utterly failfit falcon, good job. Highsec pvp must be thrilling. About personal insults, I fully agree that was way over the top and shouldnt have happened. But then again, dont act like you are the innocence in person, mkay? If you **** people off nonstop they get pretty angry at you at some point. Regardless of the fact that that particular falcon was fit for whatever reason like that. It had two jammers on it Lilith ie: It could have jammed to save itself against only two people. You dont always know what someone is going to fit their ship like so you have to learn to go with what you have and make the best of it. That particular corp always fields several falcons and black birds. We have learned to adjust the way we fly against them, most of the time they dock up their bbs and falcons in structure. obviously there is plenty of pvp to be had in high sec, otherwise we wouldnt be getting into the fights we get into. We throw expensive ships at them because thats what we fly. They outnumber us every time with t1 crap. So what......We still engage with the odds against us and have fun doing it. As for your comrads in Red Box... They had no good reason to be angry at any of the members of UAT, other than we left Red Box for greener pastures. They continue to dramatise and get personal and smack non stop and make forum postings about us with personal information and personal insults and we continue to defend ourselves with ingame business only. If you are looking for a higher ground here you wont find one. To be angry at someone you need a valid reason that isnt created in your own heads for the sake of your own drama. Fear and the rest of the members that were in The Final Stand left to do their own thing... Get over it already! This is internet spaceships.... ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.25 23:44:00 - [5] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 25/01/2009 23:21:46 Originally by: Indignant Assault As for your comrads in Red Box... They had no good reason to be angry at any of the members of UAT, other than we left Red Box for greener pastures. They continue to dramatise and get personal and smack non stop and make forum postings about us with personal information and personal insults and we continue to defend ourselves with ingame business only. Most guys that have a problem with you had it since the first day we rolled with heretics, and for good reason. While I'm pretty relaxed about stuff like that personally, others are not. And quite honestly, I can understand them somewhat. Again, I'm not defending any senseless smacking that went way too personal, fully agree that was uncalled for in every way. Edit: and since we're posting falcon kills, here is mine. A fairly standard falcon fit I might add, and compared to your kill he even managed to use all his lowslots. Yes I do understand. Most of them had a problem with the fact that I was a woman who was running an alliance and that I defended my pilots and tried to solve issues. I do get this. Diplomacy was severely lacking in most of DL and Surge's corp members. There was no other reason as to why they had issues because I rarely spoke during fleet ops, I was respectful to the FCs, always thanked them afterwards for their good work and barely talked to half the people that have issues and many of them have joined since we left and have those same issues (they never met me, how convenient that they dislike me via osmosis) Your corps are full of drama and propaganda and very little facts. Time to just accept that. The only reason that anyone in those corps has an issue is because they didnt like a woman playing a mans game, plain and simple. Considering the trash that has come out of thier mouthes since (right down to calling me a ***** etc) I am fully aware of the type of people you are flying with. If I was a man........ There would never have been an issue and you damn well know it. You could never fault my pvp, any of you, so you have chosen to go the route of trashing my personal life and my character as a woman and a human being.. Thats how pathetic and sad you all are... Back to the business end of eve..... As Fear said, front up and put your money where your mouth is.... We will even bring less numbers and see how it ends up... No ECM needed! Fly safe and have a happy happy day...... o7 ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:08:00 - [6] Originally by: Seth McKenzee Originally by: Indignant Assault I do get this. Diplomacy was severely lacking in most of DL and Surge's corp members. [/quote You forgot to add TFS in there. Sadly 90% of that corp hated you too. Thats why the active members joined my corp and the rest are fixing their sec status so that they can fly with us right?? Next?? The two and a half members that joined you in your drama have been kicked out of TFS already... You might want to change your angles slightly to avoid making yourself look like an idiot Seth.... The walls are closing in. ps: Several of the TFS members/leaders that bought into your drama later came and apologised to me for following your lead down the path of disgusting drama that you initiated them into.... Logic obvioulsy escapes you right now as each of those members that are left in TFS raise their sec status and spend all their time still flying with us in 0.0 and now empire.. Congrats on your 90% statistical error.... No wonder your Alliance is falling apart.... You cant even see when people are actively leaving you and your drama because they cant stand it anymore and going back to the people they have been flying with for years and actually care about. You drove everyone away with your pathetic attempt to witch hunt and string someone up by the neck and you still want to blame me for your own bad behaviour.. People arent stupid Seth, when the dust settles they tend to look at things alot more objectively and realise just where the cause of the trouble stems from. Your wake up call passed you by a week ago and you never even noticed..
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:20:00 - [7] I would also like to add Seth, that while you sit there on your totem pole trying to convince yourself that I am some manipulative piece of crap for a woman... All these people I seem to manipulate into umm what? pvp??? Because I have never asked for a damn thing from anyone, I am self sufficient in eve... What am I manipulating them with exactly? Flying with me in a gang or something? Are they all so weak and spineless that you think not one of these people I seem to manipulate can think for themselves?? Is that what you think of all of them? Spineless gutless men you fly with every day that are easily manipulated into umm..... What exactly?? I have yet to see any actual proof of any manipulations at all, just your constant desire to scratch for some sort of justification as to why you hate women and are a complete drama queen yourself.. I'm manipulating this conversation on an internet forum that one of YOUR members started right now right??? RIGHT!!???!!!! Yeah you have hit an alltime pathetic low Sethy......Well done!!! ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:21:00 - [8] Originally by: Thann Starlinbow Indignant, I am totally very angry about you derailing this thread. >:( >:( This fred is about how slackers are chicken and stuff! :((((( ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:29:00 - [9] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Indignant Assault Your corps are full of drama and propaganda and very little facts. Time to just accept that. I beg to differ. There wasnt any drama until DL/Surge. came to huola and joined forces with heretics. Thats where the drama started, and you are responsible for quite a big part of it. Still no reason to get personal, but keep the facts straight. Lilith When the Heretic Pilot shot one of your members and podded him, I was not even online.. How could I have possibly been part of any of the drama that went down when I was not on the internet for 2 months? When I left everything was perfectly fine and everyone was in gangs together every day with no issues at all. There was one occasion where a heretic member spoke badly to a Surge FC and that was dealt with. I am not responsible for what grown men say and do, I was only responsible for fixing the issues and repremanding the pilot involved. If you want to accuse me of causing drama then atleast come up with something valid when I was actually around... Not blame me for everything that happened while I was gone. Every time any issues arose I dealt with them and tried to keep all parties involved happy. If that makes me the cause of all the issues between Heretics and DL and Surge then god help anyone who tries to solve issues in an internet spaceship game.. I should have behaved like the rest of you and started making forum drama posts about how much of a ho you are..... ????? That always makes things better right?? Or maybe I should gossip about someones personal relationship behind their backs for several weeks till they finally drive those two people out to their own corp because they are sick of hearing about all the drama going on that happens to be none of the people who are gossiping' god damn business?? Maybe I really should lower myself to your levels of integrity and drama?? hmmm???
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 00:38:00 - [10] I just want to clarify one other thing to you Lilith Ferocious Fear and I started the entire Pirate Infestation thing. I went to him with the idea and we sorted it all out. Heretics and The Final Stand had been working together for quite some time before that and had no issues in doing so. Deaths Legion and Surge were "INVITED" by Ferocious Fear after the fact. It was both of those corps inability to actually get along with other people that started the issues, not Heretics. DL and Surge convinced themselves they were superior very early on in the peace and continued to get on their high horses as though they were the ones leading the pack. Without Ferocious Fear and The Final Stand and myself leading the way and making the decisions they made... DL and Surge would still be floundering in the systems they couldnt cope with beforehand. I do remember it was myself that sat there for hours cyno'ing in all your cap ships etc long after Heretics and TFS were settled in the system. No thanks necessary... ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~

Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:04:00 - [11] You seem to misunderstand what a good leader does and doesnt do.. Running a business is the same as running a corp or alliance in eve... Diplomacy is about solving problems and trying to look at all sides.. A good leader doesnt just sit back and let problems brew under the surface and not do anything to solve those issues. This is the reason why DL and Surge dont get on with anyone else... They are incapable of putting difference aside, they have ego and e peen issues and refuse to swallow their pride and do what is best for the entire team.. They are self serving and self important. Why they got involved in an Alliance situation is beyond me... They will invoke one drama after another as to why they cant work with certain people or in certain situations..... it makes them feel better about their own failings as pilots, people and as a whole. I refuse to believe that leadership and diplomacy are about keeping your mouth shut till you finally explode and then go on a two month rampage againt the responsible adult in the situation who tried to resolve issues as they eventuated. I guess my idea of adult relations is far different to most of the supposed adults in your alliance... ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 01:21:00 - [12] At this point I would like to say thank you Lilith For atleast attempting to be rational in all of this. There are far too many egos and testosterone dictating the course of events that led up to this attempt to trash us into the forums that has resulted in it backfiring on Red Box themselves. I did tell Fear that the alliance was a bad idea in the first place, as I had seen it happen in Heretics and even when I was flying with Triumverate and in Destiny. There is always jealousy and huge egos that seem to deteriorate an alliance into a bunch of children smack talking non stop and the final disbanding of that alliance. If you know that you have corps or leaders in those corps that are unwilling to compromise and take the best interests of the entire alliance into account, then you are bound to fail as an alliance. The very minute your leaders decide that their egos are more important than the over all goal, you are stuffed. Common sense necessary at all times! Diplomacy and being humble a must!!
Indignant Assault Caldari Uranus Assault Team	Posted - 2009.01.26 02:15:00 - [13] Originally by: Lilith Velkor Originally by: Ferocious FeAr That still doesn't excuse the fact that you guys are narrow-minded and never allowed others to fit in. Thats not true, we might have been a bit extreme regarding vent discipline, but there is good reason for that. We're pretty open to people trying to fit in actually, but you have to draw a line somewhere, and that line is crossed when people fly HICs without being able to use the warp disruption generator, tell our FCs to shut up, getting us killed countless times by improper or nonexistant scouting, podding allies and **** like that. I can remember you being quite furious about some of those yourself, its just some people arent ready to forgive that quick. Heres where the problem stems from. Why did I all of a sudden become responsible for all of these things when most happened after I was gone? Every little issue that anyone seemed to have had with anyone else became "her fault, lets bash the shyte out of her personal life because of it" DL and Surge pilots are hardly at fault in the fail flying fail fitting of ships either. It just so happens that Heretics enjoy playing the game more than they enjoy being elitist bigots that want to emo out about everyone elses failings. Maybe its time that Red Box took a good hard look at themselves and their own pilots before pointing the finger elsewhere??? Everyone can be accused of being at fault for something. Its the general lack of compromise and willingness to work through these issues instead of creating drama behind the scenes that caused the problem. This is a game after all, and people can only mature in the game and learn from their mistakes when someone is willing to work with them and calmly get to the bottom of whats going on. Red Box is more inclined to go mental and emo rage and talk behind peoples backs and have all our drama brawls, which never resolve anything at all, that just causes more issues. I have heard certain DL and Surge members flip out plenty of times and die with some seriously fail fits on thier ships.... Do they get discplined, isolated or spoken to like utter crap? Please dont dive into hypocrasy here Lilith. You flew with Heretics for quite some time and you know damn well what they are like. You never seemed to have an issue with them then. Just the drama mongers in Red Box brainwashing people with their gossip seem to be the issue now. There are pilots in Heretics I know for a fact that could wipe the floor with most of the members left in Red Box, and recent engagements have proven just that. The issues with heretics that seemed to have been blamed on me were simply personal ego issues that have been drawn out of all proportion to make certain people like Seth etc feel better about the drama they have started and cant seem to back up with facts anymore. The stories are constantly changing now as to what the bottom line of the issues was....I do remember Seth saying it was me manipulating people?? Now its me sticking up for my pilots in heretics and maybe its me just being diplomatic is the issue.. At the time that Fear and I left the corp, it was me and Fear having a personal relationship with each other... So what is it really? Is there a definitive answer as to what the real issue is? Or shall we just agree with the fact that its a bunch of testosterone filled drama that has gotten out of hand for no good reason other than the fact that the mitigating parties in Red Box have backed themselves into a corner and really dont have a good reason at all for what they have done??? Oh wait.... yes they do.......It's called pathetic childish immaturity over an internet spaceship game they take way too seriously... Causing them to get completely personal over a real life relationship that is none of their god damn business.... ~* Nemo Me Impune Lacessit *~

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